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					<description><![CDATA[RNZ News Green Party co-leader James Shaw has compared the language of New Zealand First leader Winston Peters to former US president Donald Trump, saying it may be emboldening violence against candidates in Aotearoa NZ’s election campaign. It comes after several candidates from different parties have spoken out about being targeted, including a home invasion ]]></description>
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<p>Green Party co-leader James Shaw has compared the language of New Zealand First leader Winston Peters to former US president Donald Trump, saying it may be emboldening violence against candidates in Aotearoa NZ’s election campaign.</p>
<p>It comes after several candidates from different parties have spoken out about being targeted, including a <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499090/police-investigate-after-invasion-of-te-pati-maori-candidate-s-home" rel="nofollow">home invasion on Te Pāti Māori’s youngest candidate</a>, an <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499039/completely-unacceptable-labour-candidate-angela-roberts-slapped-following-political-debate" rel="nofollow">assault on a Labour candidate</a>, and another Labour candidate saying she has faced the “worst comments and vitriol” this campaign.</p>
<p>Te Pāti Māori candidate Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke, whose home was ram raided and invaded, put the blame on what she called race-baiting from right-wing parties.</p>
<p>Peters told <em>Newshub Nation</em> that notion was wrong, and accused Te Pāti Māori of being a racist party.</p>
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<figure class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" src="https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--ZFesCL2A--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1695945979/4L1X91I_MicrosoftTeams_image_16_png" alt="New Zealand First leader Winston Peters speaks at a public meeting at Napier Sailing Club in Napier on 29 September 2023." width="1050" height="700"/><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">New Zealand First leader Winston Peters . . . believes candidates faced worse times during the Rogernomics privatisation period of the 1980s. Image: RNZ/Samuel Rillstone</figcaption></figure>
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<p>But Shaw — who himself was <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/402681/jail-for-man-who-assaulted-green-party-co-leader-james-shaw" rel="nofollow">assaulted</a> in 2019 — suggested Peters could be empowering and emboldening extremists.</p>
<p>“It makes me really angry. Because political leaders, through the things we say create an air of permissiveness for that kind of extreme language and now physical violence to take place and it’s not too dissimilar to what we saw in the United States under Donald Trump,” he said.</p>
<p>“Half of the argument about Trump was whether he personally intervened to make those things happen and at one level it doesn’t matter, he created an atmosphere where these extremists felt empowered and emboldened to kind of enact their kind of crazy, racist, misogynist fantasies.</p>
<p><strong>Lead to physical violence</strong><br />“And that did lead to physical violence there and it’s leading to physical violence here too.”</p>
<p>However, Shaw told RNZ he was not surprised given the “misogynist and racist rhetoric”, which he said had been at least in part been given permission by political parties in this election campaign.</p>
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<figure class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" src="https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--E-zi7Dgs--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1696037166/4L1VAOH_shaw_ngarewapacker_jpg" alt="Green Party co-leader James Shaw and Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer." width="1050" height="656"/><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Green Party co-leader James Shaw and Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer . . . calling out “misogynist and racist rhetoric” in the election campaign. Image: RNZ News/Cole Eastham-Farrelly/Samuel Rillstone</figcaption></figure>
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<p>“[It] has created a situation where that kind of online hate and violent language is only one or two steps from actual acts of physical violence and now you’re starting to see those manifest. It is really worrying.</p>
<p>“I think all of us have a responsibility to try and create an atmosphere for democracy to take place, which is respectful, where people can have different opinions and for that to be okay.</p>
<p>“And I think that at the moment we’re seeing a rise in this kind of culture or language which is imported from overseas, that is not just unhelpful but downright dangerous.”</p>
<p>Te Pāti Māori said the break-in at Maipi-Clarke’s house was yet another example of political extremism in New Zealand.</p>
<p>Co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer said some right-wing politicians were emboldening racist behaviour and needed to take responsibility.</p>
<p><strong>‘Harmful inciting’</strong><br />“We have seen a harmful inciting, a very harmful emboldening of extremism, this is an example of that.</p>
<p>“We’ve had it with our billboards – they’ve been so destroyed that we haven’t been able to afford to replace a lot of them now. It’s just been disgusting, the extent of racism.”</p>
<p>This year’s election had brought some of the worst abuse Te Pāti Māori had ever experienced, she said.</p>
<p>New Zealand First leader Winston Peters claimed of Maipi-Clarke’s incident that “it couldn’t have been a home invasion” and he would answer more questions about the case when he knew all the facts.</p>
<p>“As for the first one [alleged assault on Labour’s Angela Roberts], violence of that sort is just not acceptable, full stop.”</p>
<p>He believed the time for candidates was worse was during the Rogernomics period of the 1980s.</p>
<p>“With respect, I can recall during the period of Rogernomics, there was a full scale fight going on inside the Labour Party convention.”</p>
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<figure class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" src="https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--Wg8G82rW--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1696036293/4L1VBCS_MicrosoftTeams_image_31_png" alt="Chris Hipkins campaigning Saturday 30 September." width="1050" height="787"/><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Labour leader Chris Hipkins in Mount Eden today . . . assaulting candidates or threatening their safety “shows total contempt for the very principle of democracy”. Image: RNZ/Giles Dexter</figcaption></figure>
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<p><strong>Minorities persecuted</strong><br />Labour Party leader Chris Hipkins — who has <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/election-2023/498982/hipkins-commits-to-calling-out-racism-and-defending-te-tiriti" rel="nofollow">vowed to call out racism</a> — said a number of parties were deliberately trying to persecute minorities and it was reprehensible.</p>
<p>Assaulting candidates or threatening their safety “shows total contempt for the very principle of democracy”, he said.</p>
<p>He had made it clear to all Labour’s candidates that if they thought their physical safety might be at risk, they should not do that activity, Hipkins said.</p>
<p>“I think there has been more racism and misogyny in this election than we’ve seen in previous elections.”</p>
<p>Hipkins said he had respect for women and Māori who put themselves forward in elected office, but they should never have to put up with the level of abuse that they have had to in this campaign.</p>
<p>National Party leader Christopher Luxon told reporters his party had referred several incidents to the police too.</p>
<p>Luxon said he condemned threats and violence on political candidates, or their family and property, as well as all forms of racism.</p>
<p><strong>Number of serious incidents</strong><br />“It’s entirely wrong. We’ve had a number of serious incidents that we’ve referred to the police as well, over the course of this campaign.</p>
<p>“I think it’s important for all New Zealanders to understand that politicians are putting themselves forward, you may disagree with their politics, you may disagree with their policies, but we can disagree without being disagreeable in this country.”</p>
<p>He would not detail the complaints his party had made to police.</p>
<p>He said political leaders had a responsibility not to fearmonger during the campaign.</p>
<p>“Running fearmongering campaigns and negative campaigns just amps it up, and I think actually what we need to do is actually everyone needs to respect each other. We have differences of opinion about how to take the country forward, we are unique in New Zealand in that we can maintain our political civility, we don’t need to go down the pathway we’ve seen in other countries.</p>
<p>“It’s just about leadership, right, it’s about a leader modelling out the behaviour and treating people that they expect to treated.”</p>
<p>Asked if National had a hand in being responsible for fearmongering, he said it did not, and their campaign was positive and focused on what mattered most to New Zealanders.</p>
<p><strong>Worry over online abuse</strong><br />Shaw was worried for his candidates, having seen the online abuse they were subjected to.</p>
<p>“It’s vile, it is really extreme and it is stronger now than it has been in previous election campaigns and like I said I don’t think it takes much for a particularly unhinged individual from whacking their keyboard to whacking a person.”</p>
<p>But it was worse for female candidates and Māori, he said.</p>
<p>“Not just a little bit, not just an increment, but orders in magnitude, from what I’ve seen my colleagues be exposed to. It is just unhinged.”</p>
<p>There has been increased police participation in this campaign, Shaw said.</p>
<p>“Parliamentary security have got new protocols that we are observing. We have changed, for example, the way we campaign, the way we do public meetings, or when we’re out and about, we’re observing new security protocols that we haven’t had in previous years.”</p>
<p>Hipkins said where there might be additional risk, they have worked with Parliamentary Service on a cross-party basis to ensure there was additional support available for some MPs.</p>
<p>All parties have an interest in ensuring the election campaign was conducted safely, he said.</p>
<p><strong>What has happened?<br /></strong> This week, Te Pāti Māori candidate Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke’s home was ram raided and invaded, with a threatening note left.</p>
<p>Police said they were investigating the burglary of a Huntly home, which was reported to them on Monday.</p>
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<p>Te Pāti Māori issued a statement saying it was the third incident to take place at Maipi-Clarke’s home this week.</p>
<p>Also this week, Labour candidate for Taranaki-King Country Angela Roberts said she had laid a complaint with the police about being <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499039/completely-unacceptable-labour-candidate-angela-roberts-slapped-following-political-debate" rel="nofollow">assaulted at an election debate in Inglewood</a>.</p>
<p>Hipkins said he had great respect for Roberts, and he told her she could take any time off if she needed to, but she has chosen not to.</p>
<p>“She’s an incredibly staunch and energetic campaigner and I know it knocked the wind out of her sails a little bit, but I know that she’s bouncing back.”</p>
<p>On Thursday, Labour candidate for Northland Willow-Jean Prime <a href="https://players.brightcove.net/6093072280001/default_default/index.html?videoId=6337949811112" rel="nofollow">told reporters</a> she has faced the “worst comments and vitriol” in the seven campaigns she has been through – two in local government and five in central government.</p>
<p>“I was being shouted down every time I went to answer a question by supporters of other candidates primarily, there were not many of the general public in there,” she said of a Taxpayers Union debate in Kerikeri.</p>
<p>“Whenever I said a te reo Māori word, like puku, for full tummies, lunches in schools, I was shouted at.</p>
<p>“When I said Aotearoa, the crowd responded ‘It’s New Zealand!’. When I said rangatahi, ‘stop speaking that lanugage!’ that is racism coming from the audience, that’s not disagreeing with the gains I’m explaining that we’ve made in government.”</p>
<p>She said she noticed that type of “dog-whistling” in other candidate debates, but not whilst out and about with the general public.</p>
<p>“What is really worrying is that they feel so emboldened to be able to come out and say this stuff publicly, they don’t care that other people that might be in the audience, that might be listening or the impact that has on us as candidates.”</p>
<p>The New Zealand general election is on October 14, but early voting begins on October 2.</p>
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<p>New Zealand police are investigating after the home of Te Pāti Māori election candidate Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke was <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/499064/candidate-s-home-broken-into-vandalised-threat-left-behind" rel="nofollow">invaded, vandalised, and a threatening letter</a> left behind.</p>
<p>They said the burglary of a Huntly home was reported to police on Monday.</p>
<p>On Friday, Te Pāti Māori issued a statement saying it was the third incident to take place at Maipi-Clarke’s home this week.</p>
<p>The candidate for Hauraki-Waikato said the attack was premeditated and targeted, and politically motivated.</p>
<p>Danger on the campaign trail had increased because of race baiting and fearmongering from right-wing parties, Maipi-Clarke said.</p>
<p>Despite the attack, she was not scared, she told <em>The Hui’</em>s Hauraki-Waikato debate.</p>
<p>However, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has dismissed claims his party was race baiting, and increasing danger for candidates on the campaign trail.</p>
<p><strong>‘Not responsible’</strong><br />Peters told <em>Newshub Nation</em> that notion was wrong, adding that he was not responsible for the actions of other people.</p>
<p>He said he would never work with Te Pāti Māori.</p>
<p>Te Pāti Māori said it was working with police to find a person who broke into their youngest candidate’s home.</p>
<p>Co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer said the party was outraged and it was seeing more abusive behaviour in this election than ever before.</p>
<p>“You go at one of our mokopuna, you go at all of us. And it doesn’t matter how different we think, when we see our mokopuna being abused, we will unite and it will have the absolute contrary affect of what I think perpetrators are trying to do when they’re individually picking off on our youngest, on one of our babies … it’s disgusting,” she said.</p>
<p>The party was looking into improving security for candidates to prevent future attacks, she said.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[ANALYSIS: By Maree Mahony, RNZ digital journalist Labour leader Chris Hipkins and National leader Christopher Luxon have faced off in a fast-paced but unspectacular debate in the Aotearoa New Zealand general election campaign with co-governance and gangs among the issues producing the liveliest exchanges. It was the first time the two leaders had squared off ]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ANALYSIS:</strong> <em>By <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/authors/maree-mahony" rel="nofollow">Maree Mahony</a>, <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/" rel="nofollow">RNZ</a> digital journalist</em></p>
<p>Labour leader Chris Hipkins and National leader Christopher Luxon have faced off in a <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/498276/election-2023-all-the-latest-developments-on-19-september" rel="nofollow">fast-paced but unspectacular debate</a> in the Aotearoa New Zealand general election campaign with co-governance and gangs among the issues producing the liveliest exchanges.</p>
<p>It was the first time the two leaders had squared off against each other outside Parliament and at times the mood was tense during last night’s debate.</p>
<p>Luxon, in particular, appeared frustrated when Hipkins interjected, while the Labour leader appeared to be enjoying himself a bit more.</p>
<p>However, with Labour behind in the polls, Hipkins was unable to deliver anything telling enough to put Luxon off his stride.</p>
<p>He did manage some amusing lines, however, such as “We have a proven track record of reducing our emissions . . . it’s not just a bunch of slogans”, “building EV stations is like building petrol stations”, and when asked what was his worst quality he responded with a smile: “I need to delegate more”.</p>
<p>Afterwards both leaders professed themselves happy with how they performed, however, commentators on TV1 were less enthusiastic, with former MP Tau Henare saying there was no excitement and Hipkins had been “too mild”.</p>
<p>Former Labour leader David Cunliffe believed Hipkins had allowed Luxon too much of a free run and the National party leader made the most of it. Both declared the debate a tie.</p>
<p><strong>Wide-ranging debate</strong><br />The debate was wide-ranging, covering health, housing, crime and gangs, climate change and the economy. 1News political editor Jessica Mutch-McKay kept it moving at a fast clip and co-governance, especially in health, led to some intense debate.</p>
<figure id="attachment_93287" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-93287" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="wp-image-93287 size-full" src="https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Electon-debate-3-APR-680wide.jpg" alt="1News political editor Jessica Mutch-McKay talks to the main party leaders in last night's debate" width="680" height="498" srcset="https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Electon-debate-3-APR-680wide.jpg 680w, https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Electon-debate-3-APR-680wide-300x220.jpg 300w, https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Electon-debate-3-APR-680wide-80x60.jpg 80w, https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Electon-debate-3-APR-680wide-573x420.jpg 573w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 680px) 100vw, 680px"/><figcaption id="caption-attachment-93287" class="wp-caption-text">1News political editor Jessica Mutch-McKay talks to the main party leaders in last night’s debate. Image: TV1 screenshot APR</figcaption></figure>
<p>The leaders were both asked if Māori and Pacific people should get priority when it came to the health waitlist. Luxon said need should come first ahead of ethnicity, while Hipkins said Māori and Pacific people having priority was a positive due to their poor health outcomes when compared to the rest of the population.</p>
<p>Hipkins said other parties were using the issue to “race-bait”, to which Luxon interjected “rubbish”.</p>
<p>Luxon said he felt the definition of co-governance had been expanded since the last time National was in government and the public had not been given adequate explanations of what it entailed.</p>
<p>Hipkins said co-governance meant shared decision-making over natural resources which had been successful. He believed Māori and government working together benefited New Zealand.</p>
<p>Luxon said he supported it for Treaty of Waitangi settlements but not for national public services and repeated his party’s intention of axing the Māori Health Authority.</p>
<p>“The Māori Health Authority isn’t having two separate systems,” Hipkins said.</p>
<p><strong>Luxon challenged in Māori health</strong><br />He challenged Luxon on why he would keep Māori health providers if he did not want two systems of health. Luxon said he wanted to “turbo-charge” community organisations but it would be as part of one health system.</p>
<p>Hipkins said the health system was dealing with systemic issues and it would take time to build capacity to fix them.</p>
<p>But Luxon said every single health indicator had worsened under Labour — although Hipkins countered that by saying falling smoking rates were one example of effective action.</p>
<figure id="attachment_93288" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-93288" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="wp-image-93288 size-full" src="https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Election-debate-2-APR-680wide.jpg" alt="It was the first time the two leaders had squared off against each other outside Parliament and at times the mood was tense" width="680" height="468" srcset="https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Election-debate-2-APR-680wide.jpg 680w, https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Election-debate-2-APR-680wide-300x206.jpg 300w, https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Election-debate-2-APR-680wide-100x70.jpg 100w, https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Election-debate-2-APR-680wide-218x150.jpg 218w, https://asiapacificreport.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Election-debate-2-APR-680wide-610x420.jpg 610w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 680px) 100vw, 680px"/><figcaption id="caption-attachment-93288" class="wp-caption-text">It was the first time the two leaders had squared off against each other outside Parliament and at times the mood was tense. Image: TV1 screenshot APR</figcaption></figure>
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<p class="photo-captioned__information"><strong>Crime and gangs<br /></strong> Both men acknowledged the country had a problem with rising crime and Luxon in particular doubled down on his party’s intention to crack down on gangs.</p>
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<p>He said he did not feel safe in downtown Auckland and believed many New Zealanders felt the same.</p>
<p>Under Labour the prison population had been reduced by 30 percent — which might have been acceptable if the crime rate had gone down by the same amount — but in fact it had risen sharply, Luxon said.</p>
<p>On gangs he claimed: “We have nine gang members for every 10 police officers in this country.</p>
<p>“We’re going to make sure we ban gang patches in public places, we give police dispersal and powers to break them up from planning criminal activity, we get tough on the illegal guns that they have and we make being a gang member an aggravating factor in sentencing.”</p>
<p><strong>Consequences for young offenders</strong><br />He also promised there would be consequences for serious young offenders.</p>
<p>Hipkins said the escalation in gang activity was unacceptable and acknowledged that more New Zealanders were feeling unsafe. However, he advocated working with young offenders to turn their lives around which would reduce crime.</p>
<p>On boot camps, told that an expert had said 83 percent of young people who went through them re-offend, Luxon said National would make them “more effective”.</p>
<p>“We need targeted interventions in these young people’s lives. I’m not prepared to write them off.”</p>
<p>When Hipkins tried to intervene and say how boot camps did not get results, Luxon hit back saying Labour had had six years to get it right.</p>
<p>Hipkins said Labour had changed the law so police could be tougher on gang convoys, such as the recent one that closed down parts of Ōpōtiki over a tangi.</p>
<p><strong>Insults fly on housing<br /></strong> Luxon slammed Labour’s record on housing while Hipkins said National’s plan was to offer incentives to landlords whereas Labour was focused on getting people into homes.</p>
<p>Hipkins said there were more “mega landlords” these days and that was not right.</p>
<p>“Will you guarantee your tax breaks for landlords will get passed on to tenants?” Hipkins asked Luxon.</p>
<p>Luxon avoided a direct answer so the Labour leader answered on his behalf, saying “We’ll take that as a no.”</p>
<p>Both leaders stated they supported building more state houses — although Hipkins was critical of how state houses had been sold off the last time National was in government.</p>
<p>Hipkins admitted KiwiBuild had been an “unrealistic promise” but since then Labour had created momentum in house supply which needed to be continued.</p>
<p>Afterwards both leaders were relaxed. Hipkins was reluctant to score himself, saying the voters would decide, but when pressed again opted for an eight.</p>
<p>Luxon said he had enjoyed it and hoped viewers did also while also choosing an eight.</p>
<p><em>This article is republished under a community partnership agreement with RNZ.</em></p>
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